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yeah it's scary ... we were at the same point several month back in france ...
that is with a law which was pushed & rushed, ultimately it failed (to be rushed) however it managed to get through opposition somehow after a while...
HADOPI / HADOPI2 are their names if you want to know more ...

edit: it's quite complicated being mainly a political fight between factions that try to resort to alternate ways to circumvent everything that could prevent the application of said laws ...

yeah it's scary ... we were at the same point several month back in france ...
that is with a law which was pushed & rushed, ultimately it failed (to be rushed) however it managed to get through opposition somehow after a while...
HADOPI / HADOPI2 are their names if you want to know more ...

edit: it's quite complicated being mainly a political fight between factions that try to resort to alternate ways to circumvent everything that could prevent the application of said laws ...

Frances 3 strikes and your cut off rule failed to make it though because the law assumed guilt based on nothing more then an accusations from the entertainment industry. Given that the methods to gather the accusation have been known to accuse OAPs of downloading hard core gay porn, and that they have never been opened up for scrutiny the whole thing was rejected.
The new version now means that the person accused can defend themselves against the accusations and are not automatically assumed to be guilty.

The problem with all these measures is they can be completely bypassed by use of encrypted connections, proxy servers, VPNs or other such methods. So in short all there doing is wasting tax payers money, on something that won't work, that nether the public nor the ISPs want, just because the entertainment industry write misleading one sided reports and banish them as facts.

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"Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality."

yeah sure of course, stealing IS bad ... but people will always try to get what they can't, for some that implies going against laws/order/morality or whatever ...

Fortunately for the vast majority of industries, stealing from them isn't as simple as piracy, and therefore, relatively uncommon. Digital entertainment industries are not so fortunate.

the analogy doesn't perfectly match since in games/pirates cases you would be giving the so called "freebies" to everyone, not just pirates

Doesn't really invalidate my point. I'm not trying to make a perfect analogy so much as I'm trying to point out that it's unfair to suggest appeasement as a "valid business strategy."

The problem with all these measures is they can be completely bypassed by use of encrypted connections, proxy servers, VPNs or other such methods.

The problem with these methods is that they completely defeat the purpose of P2P. If everyone uses them, then P2P isn't really P2P. It gets pushed further underground, and/or slows down to a crawl.

The problem with these methods is that they completely defeat the purpose of P2P. If everyone uses them, then P2P isn't really P2P. It gets pushed further underground, and/or slows down to a crawl.

Not really, its still P2P just via another server, download speed don't get effected ether, just latency, which is a none issue with downloading. It will however put more of a strain on the network.

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"Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality."

They could just make the use of encryption require a license or something, then bust everyone else who uses it.

We've been heading toward government action over the internet since it was put into normal citizen's houses, it was just a slow build up. They will find a way, governments always find a way to control unless there is a massive rebellion, which I doubt will happen over something like this.

I'm not happy about it mind you, but we brought it on ourselves. Even I, the great anti-pirate, have slipped up on occasion, it's just human nature to try to get away with things when the chance of punishment is small. So the government will make the chance of punishment much greater and the average Joe will stop pirating, simple in its depressing reality.

The odd thing is the internet was designed to decentralised and uncontrollable by one person or by a government, the whole point of it was that everyone could access everything on it. The BBC did an extremely good documentary on it called The Virtual revolution.

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"Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality."

The odd thing is the internet was designed to decentralised and uncontrollable by one person or by a government, the whole point of it was that everyone could access everything on it. The BBC did an extremely good documentary on it called The Virtual revolution.

True, but governments find a way, we should have always assumed they would. In this case it's rather simple: control access to the uncontrollable creature.

Not really, its still P2P just via another server,

The whole point of P2P is that it isn't "via" a server. You send and receive bytes directly through your peers. If everyone is connected to a proxy, and the proxy is sending bytes to the users, it isn't P2P any more.

And putting "strain" on the network ultimately does make download speeds plummet.

Not really, its still P2P just via another server,

The whole point of P2P is that it isn't "via" a server. You send and receive bytes directly through your peers. If everyone is connected to a proxy, and the proxy is sending bytes to the users, it isn't P2P any more.

And putting "strain" on the network ultimately does make download speeds plummet.

You do know that most if not all the P2P systems before bittorrent where centralised and controlled by a central server. Also the point of proxys and VPNs are to redirect traffic, much in the same way routers do on the internet anyway, the only thing you could argue wasn't P2P are seed boxes, but even then, the term peer doesn't refer to the end person, but a software client or a computer/server. The method in which the data gets to the end user isn't the important thing in P2P, its the fact that data is sent from one peer to another, method is irrelevance so long as it gets there.

The second point is partly true, but putting strain on the network won't necessary make one or all the connections slow down, but it will have an effect, although I wouldn't use the word plummet as I would be shocked if it was that bad.

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"Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality."

You do know that most if not all the P2P systems before bittorrent where centralised and controlled by a central server.

Having a server to direct traffic and whatnot is one thing. Having a server that every byte the clients receive must pass through is another. If everyone used proxies, the P2P would resemble the latter thing.

Also the point of proxys and VPNs are to redirect traffic, much in the same way routers do on the internet anyway

The difference is that everyone has their own router. It wouldn't be practical for everyone to have their own personal proxy in Sweden or wherever they think the authorities can't do anything. To propose that everyone use proxies means you're looking at millions of people sharing a handful of proxies, which is ultimately the client-server model that P2P was invented to overcome the limitations of.

The method in which the data gets to the end user isn't the important thing in P2P, its the fact that data is sent from one peer to another, method is irrelevance so long as it gets there.

The method matters. Peer-to-server-to-peer, for instance, is not P2P. It's server-client.